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Vaccine

I just watched Dr. Robert Malone's podcast at the Joe Rogan. This doctor is a vaccinologist with over 30 years of researching M-RNA vaccines. With a new variant spreading and people taking a third dose of the vaccine, I begin to get more skeptical. Why there aren't any at-home treatments for this disease yet? Why do governments push so much towards mass vaccination? Is this global crisis intentional? These big pharma companies make a lot of profit, do they? But is it true do we all need the vaccine? I didn't get vaccinated for myself, I did it for people around me, and I did it because I believe in stopping the virus from spreading - achieving mass immunity. Now I'm starting to think the opposite. We might not get there with the vaccine, and by getting more booster shots, we might undermine our natural capacity to mobilize an effective immune response. And no, I'm not an anti-vaxer, but I'm not a pro vaxer either. The measures are absurd and revolting. It is no surprise people go out in the street protesting in every major city in Europe. I hope all this will change.
Abraham Kim
Expecting the government to take this kind of individualized approach when they don't do that for any other action is insanity.

The government does not act or make judgements on a scale individualized to different circumstances. They group into large categories and make one generalized big decision for "
society
"

It's a problem of scale. It just happens to be visible now because it's affecting our lives.

Could you imagine if leaders had to make the decision for what's dinner? Do you think they could please everyone?

No. It'd end up being some generalized decision that's based on what's cheapest to make while leading to the least amount of 'very-bad' outcomes for the population.

But there would be no warm 
barszcz
or home made 
Spaghetti
or so on. It'd be some bland generalized potato dish. Prob good enough for most people.

If you want to live an individualized life then you're never going to get it from a generalized provider. You are the individual at the end.
2022-01-09 17:38:27
nedzen
In comunist societies the central power gets to decide even what people eat for dinner and that is a total disaster. In this pandemic people everywhere had their basic human rights violated.  In france all people who work with public are obliged to vaccinate. If they refuse, they loose their job. This is almost dictatorship.
2022-01-10 06:33:40
Abraham Kim
Is that not the cost of living and working within a macro oriented society though? How can one ask for the benefits of macro orientation while not wanting it's costs? How can one live as a cog in a machine and ask to be treated as a lion?

These are questions, not rhetorical questions stating my opinions.
2022-01-10 14:54:00
nedzen
Yes, I see where you're getting at, one must comply to the rules of society if to live and thrive in it - true, that's why I can understand restricted access (only with green pass) in cinemas, malls, public places etc. I get it, the danger is real, fine. 

Okay but with work is different. Imagine someone who relies on that job, he is given no option but to Vaccinate. His freedom of choice to choose not to get inoculated with the product of a multinational-trillion-$-company is close to none in the context of a macro oriented society.
2022-01-11 19:16:57
nedzen
human rights must be universally applicable, but we bend them based on society, culture, nation, pandemic and whatever else. so, are there any Human rights ?
2022-01-11 19:19:47
Abraham Kim
Here's a challenge for you then.

What makes you believe that our society/culture/nation is based on 
human rights
to begin with?

If a corporation touts that they believe in X-value or Y-value do you take that 
face value
as truth? Or do you know that it's just messaging?

It's laughable to believe for more than two minutes that society is built inherently with human rights in mind. it's an afterthought to get certain initiatives through but at the end of the day it is built on maximizing luxuries for the most amount of people while reducing the amount of work for the least.
2022-01-12 00:12:58
nedzen
If societies would've been built on human rights, or for the well-being of humans (utopic right ?) poverty would not exist, nor violence nor for-profit companies. Wealth would be more evenly distributed and the societal organisation something resembling communism .. Honestly I have no idea what I'm talking about. I know little about societal dynamic and history of societies to say what it could've been if... But, now it's a bit like the wild west. I see in my country, people who believed in the system and have contributed their entire lives in one way or another are now being f**ked.
2022-01-18 17:38:53
Abraham Kim
It's sad, but this is the truth. Society only works when resources are abundant. I think what we're seeing is people fighting over dwindling bread.
2022-01-19 14:00:54

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